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CONGRATULATIONS TO BOB DAVIS
who turned 90 on Friday 25th May 2007.
Nearly 50 family and friends gathered at St Aidan's Hall on warm and sunny Saturday 26th May to witness Bob blow out all 90 candles, listen to speeches noting his many remarkable achievements and idiosyncrasies, to hear cello music played by his 15 year old grandson Henry Davis, then to enjoy a sumptuous afternoon tea and animated conversation. Bob's 88 year old brother Arthur travelled from Adelaide as did 3 nieces and their husbands from Yorketown S.A., Adelaide & Beaudesert Qld to share in the celebration.
All 3 of Bob's children and spouses, Janet & Nevil, Bill & Monica and Ted, 5 of his grand children and 2 great grandsons plus many close friends came too, to wish him a very happy birthday and wish him well. Bob was presented with a Book of Memories compiled by Janet, containing reminiscences, photos and drawings from many folk of their significant and unforgettable memories of Bob over his many years. Now this makes fun reading! Further contributions may still be added on A5 size paper please. A heartfelt thank you to Avis Coles and Lorraine Baulch and their band of hard working St Aidan's helpers and also to Sylvia Churchill who so masterfully arranged the magnificent flowers, decorating the Hall. Bob, may God continue to make His face to shine upon you and give you His peace. And may you have many happy and satisfying years ahead.

PUBLIC MEETING

The future of the Apollo Bay Music Festival
Wednesday 6th June at 7.00pm Mechanics Hall Come along, express your views, and join up. Further details contact Peter Fillmore on 5237 6579 (see Letter to the Editor page 7)

St Aidan's Trivia Night

7.00pm Friday 15th June - Start time
NEW Jackpot Round and categories
COME AND HAVE FUN!
BYO Drinks and Nibbles Still only $7.00 per person
Book your tables of six Phone Edmond on 52377203

Apollo Bay Community Bank®
Where's your Survey?
Sent off your survey - great, but for those who haven't we need you to complete the survey and mail it off to the consultants immediately. The survey only takes a few minutes to complete and we need your response whether you're a community bank supporter or not. An independent consultant has been engaged to administer and process the surveys and their findings will be presented to the Steering Committee and to Bendigo Bank in order to determine the viability of an Apollo Bay Branch, once they have completed their assessment. If you have misplaced your copy and need another one ring Allen Hokin on 5237 6347 or collect one from the News Sheet stand at the newsagency.
Erratum: The figure of $700 000 attributed to the Maldon Community Bank's distribution to community organizations last week was printed in error, the correct amount being in excess of $400 000, which has been distributed over the past 3 years. They are about to embark on their 2007 grants campaign which will be their largest distribution to local community organizations to date.


Apollo Bay Arts Inc. presents:
Indoor Winter Market

Sunday 10th June at Mechanics Hall, 9.30 am to 2.30 pm.
Handcrafts, artwork, photography, gift cards,
glass, jewellery, soaps, honey, jams, cakes,
natural beauty products, leather, Shiatsu ...
Face painting & Yummie food.
Enq: Jane ©ross 52 376 335

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Southern Otway Landcare Network 'Landtalk'
Macro invertebrate Survey Wild Dog SOLN now has 17 Waterwatch testers checking the health of the West and East Barham, Wild Dog Ck, Skenes Ck, Smythes Ck, Carisbrook Ck, Whalebone Ck and Sugarloaf Ck. Each month our dedicated community Waterwatchers test their local waterways for temperature, dissolved oxygen, pH, salinity, reactive phosphorus and turbidity. This data is then passed on to Barwon Water to be analysed and included in an annual report on the health of our rivers. As well as the physical and chemical testing of our waters Waterwatch volunteers also conduct habitat surveys and macro invertebrate surveys.
It is now time for all testers to conduct their biannual macro invertebrate survey and we have a number of kits available at the SOLN office to enable people to undertake the survey. Brenda Skene from Waterwatch is currently working her way through our testing sites, logging a GPS reference, checking OHS procedures and "shadow monitoring" to check our equipment and our methods. Brenda has a background in aquatic science and is more than happy to answer any queries that testers may have so please contact the SOLN office to make a time to meet with Brenda at your Waterwatch site. SOLN wishes to thank all our current Waterwatchers for the community service they are providing, many of our waterways have never been tested before and the data you are collecting now is an invaluable resource for water management in the future. If you would like to become a Waterwatcher on any of our currently listed waterways or are interested in testing other waterways please contact the SOLN office and we will connect you with our Landcare groups undertaking this important data collection.
If you have aspirations to make a contribution
to improving habitat and conservation in
our area, talk to Landcare!
Greg John, Kristen Lees, Dianne Inglis
(PH) 5237 6904,
69-71 Nelson St. Apollo Bay. Office hours 9am-1pm Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Fridays until further notice

 

ABP12C Parents & Friends Group
Dear Parents & Friends

Next Monday evening the 4th June will be our first AGM; I welcome you all to this evening and thank those for your support over the past 18 months... garden clean up's, school helpers, attending meeting's, giving advice, participating in a caring community, is a healthy community.
I take this opportunity to thank Mary Cockerell for doing a fantastic (as always) job setting up all procedures, and books to pass onto the next Secretary. I have enjoyed working along side a person that has many years of experience to offer, and is so easy to get along with. As this position will need to be filled, I urge you to think about nominating. The parents & friends group is an important part of the school community, not only does it support all staff, students and parents, it provides an important link to school council.
We welcome input on the agenda and your place at the monthly meetings. An annual fee of $5 per family or single; covers the on going cost associated with running groups. Encouraging parents to join encourages unity.
Q. What would I have to do if I joined? A. Nothing, or
lots, or just a bit. So you can come along and be informed
without taking on any extra tasks.
Q. When do you meet? A. We meet on the first Monday
of every month except on school holidays. Our meetings
are between 7.00pm and 8.30 pm at the school
Q. Will I feel welcome? A. YES! We'd love to have you.
Fill out the following form, return to school office in envelope with $5


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Tracey Slatter Re-Appointed To CEO Position
Colac Otway Shire Council has reappointed Tracey
Slatter to the position of Chief Executive Officer.
The decision was made to reappoint Ms Slatter at the
Council meeting last night (May 23).
Mayor, Cr Warren Riches said the decision was the
right one for the Shire.
"Tracey is doing a fantastic job and is really committed
to Council and the community," CrRiches said.
"I don't think anyone can doubt her passion for
projects such as the revitalisation of Lake Colac, the
upgrade of the Princes Highway, the Apollo Bay
Harbour and Structure Plan and the Education,
Recreation and Community Precinct.
"She has also been committed to a number of
community projects outside her role as CEO of the
Shire." Cr Riches said Ms Slatter's strong focus on improving the Shire's financial situations and infrastructure
renewal gap had Council positioned well for the future.
"Council is looking forward to continuing our strong
working relationship with Tracey and working together
with her to progress Colac Otway Shire," Cr Riches said.

Colac Otway
Naturally Progressive

Council Reaches Another Milestone
Colac Otway Shire has received $4000 from the Advancing Action Fund for reaching Milestone 3 in the Cities for Climate Protection program. The Shire is one of 219 local governments participating in the program which helps local government and their communities reduce greenhouse gas emissions and their impact on the environment.
Milestone 3 was achieved through the preparation and adoption of a Greenhouse Action Plan which supports actions to reduce greenhouse gas emissions both Council facilities and in the wider community. The funding will be used to help implement actions in the Plan which include undertaking energy audits and retrofitting of Council buildings, implementing energy reduction measures in all Council buildings, investigating the potential to use green power and gas conversions for fleet vehicles and an audit of street lighting.
Colac Otway Shire CEO Tracey Slatter said reaching Milestone 3 was a step in the right direction to reduce Council's greenhouse gas emissions and energy costs. "Our Green House Action Plan, while not a complete solution, outlines Council's commitment to reducing its impact on global warming," Ms Slatter said. "Implementing actions from the plan are likely to bring environmental, social and economic benefits now and into the future. "Council is also committed to investigating measures to further reduce our green house gas emissions."
Accept that some days you are the pigeon and some days the statue.

 

Colac Otway
Special Council Meeting

A Special Meeting of Council will be held at COPACC on
Wednesday, June 13, 2007 commencing at 12pm.
Agenda
• Adoption of 2007/08 Draft Budget
Tracey Slatter
Chief Executive Officer
www.colacotway.vic.gov.au
Colac Otway
Colac Otway Shire invites applications for the following three positions
GARDENER/LABOURER - COLAC
Permanent Full Time
Join our Parks and Gardens Team! This role involves working at the Botanic Gardens and other parks, streetscapes, road reserves and Council owned and managed land with an emphasis on safety, quality and meeting our corporate values and standards.
CUSTOMER SERVICE OFFICER - BLUEWATER
FITNESS CENTRE

Permanent Part-Time (Saturday and Sunday)
An exciting opportunity is available at Bluewater Fitness Centre for an enthusiastic person interested in providing outstanding customer service to the Centre's many clients and visitors.
Ideally you will have excellent communication skills, competent computer and keyboard skills, be a team player and demonstrate a "can do" attitude.
CHILDREN'S PROGRAMS OFFICER - BLUEWATER
FITNESS CENTRE

Permanent Part-time (15 hrs per week)
If you have experience in developing programs for children then this role may be for you! As Children's Programs Officer you will help develop, implement and review Centre based children's programs including the creche and holiday program. The successful applicant will hold a Diploma of Children's Services or a Certificate 3 in Children's Services, a current Level 2 First Aid Certificate and demonstrate the ability to perform physical tasks related to primary contact with children.
Position Descriptions for these three positions are
available via the website, by contacting Shellie
Nicholls on (03) 5232 9438 or emailing
shellie. nicholls(S)colacotwav.vic.qov.au
Applications for all three positions close 4pm, Friday,
June 8, 2007.
Tracey Slatter, Chief Executive Officer
www.colacotway.vic.qov.au
Colac Otway Shire is an equal opportunity
employer



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Dear Editor,
Apollo Bay Harbour Plan

Our Mayor, Warren Riches, must have been influenced by Henry Ford's comments "they can have any colour they like, as long as it's black", as he and his councillor colleagues analysed the community feedback on the Apollo Bay Harbour Precinct Master Plan & Feasibility Study. I may be naive but I always thought that our councillors were elected by the community to act in the interests of the community as the community saw fit. While I don't agree with the idea of the hotel being built adjacent to the Apollo Bay harbour, and the rerouting of the Great Ocean Road across part of the foreshore (which is in my opinion blatant vandalism), these are only my opinions and council has every right to ignore them. But when the majority of the community have similar views, then council has an obligation to heed these concerns and act on them. The fact that our councillors chose to ignore the views expressed by the Apollo Bay community is an arrogant abuse of their position. It is now apparent that our elected councillors are going to ram this proposal through regardless of community opinion. One can only conclude that the people of Apollo Bay have been deceived into feeling that they were involved in something that has the capacity to radically reshape the community in which they live. The fact is we were not given options. Why not look at where else the Ocean Road could be diverted (Pascoe Street for example), or, is public land at the harbour the most appropriate location for a 5 star hotel? The proposal as presented is far too narrow in its outlook and has little to offer in improving the quality of life for those who live and work in Apollo Bay. For the record:
In answer to the question "Do you think the Vision is appropriate for the Harbour Precinct?", 24.3% said yes, 33.1% said partly, and 42.5% said no. Of the resident population, 8.4% said yes, 16.1% said partly, and 30.4% said no. John Marriner
Dear Sir,
Who's "jumping the gun" ?
According to the Colac Otway Shire's website, our Mayor, Cr Warren Riches recently said:
"The Apollo Bay Structure Plan does not approve the C29 Amendment; it acknowledges that this land is suitable for residential and recreational
development..........".
He said, in his press release, that
"Those that think that C29 is a fait accompli are
jumping the gun,......"
But one may wonder whether the Council is "jumping the gun" by declaring that the flood plain area which it has incorporated within the town boundary is "suitable for residential development" - the Mayor's words -without waiting for the panel's report.

 

Given the actual proposal which the developers have presented to the panel - essentially to allow them to develop the area in any way they would like - one would have thought that the Council's incorporation of the area as suitable for residential development MUST "prejudice Council's ability to consider and deliberate on the C29 development."
It's also interesting to read the Burbank Group of Companies (their website says that "Burbank is one of Victoria's largest builders") advertising for the Great Ocean Green development on their website http//:www.burbank.com.au/burbank land subdivision
great ocean.php which claims the following:
"The meandering serpentine Great Ocean Road intertwines with the rugged cost of south west Victoria, invitingly seducing tourists and lifestyle seekers on a journey through one of Australia's most spectacular natural landscapes. "Scenic Apollo Bay, nestled on the coast and serviced by the Great Ocean Road, has been earmarked as a major coastal tourist and activity node by relevant state authorities. Other market factors such as a mounting emphasis on lifestyle and an aging Australian population, prompted the Directors to pre-empt Apollo Bay as the ideal location for the development of a residential/golf course resort.
"This achievement involved securing prime, pristine beachside property and refining an environmentally driven scheme that integrates golfing and over 530 residential properties into a resort style development."
Are they, too, "jumping the gun" ?
Russell Dawe

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APOLLO BAY COMMUNITY NEWS

APOLLO BAY
CHURCH
SERVICES
St. Aidans Anglican                     9.00am
Rev John Grace        5237 6615

Uniting Church
                            9.30am
Rev Kevin Cranwell 5232 1360
Sunday School every 2nd & 4th Sundays

Star of the Sea Catholic
           10.30am

Fr Damien Heath              5237 6782

Apollo Bay Assembly of God
      6.00pm

Ps Peter Smith                 5237 766
SUSTAINABILITY TALK
Ian Lillington, author of "The Holistic Life"
will be a guest at the permaculture market stall
on Saturday June 2nd at the Apollo Bay Foreshore Market,
and will be giving a free talk at
Eco Beach YHA, Pascoe St, Apollo Bay
at 4pm on Saturday June 2nd.

PATCHWORK QUILTING
The next Patchwork Quilting meeting will be held next Tuesday, the 5th of June at 1:30 pm at Marrar Woorn, Pengilley Ave, Apollo Bay. Please bring Convergence, May Mystery or something else to work on. Contact Judy Hagan 52376479. New members welcome.
Note: Next night meeting will be on the Monday, the 18th of June at Judy Hagan's.

 

C.W.A.
Next meeting Friday 2nd June at 1.30 pm
FRIENDSHIP DAY
Our next Friendship Day at Gwens will be on Friday 15th June at 1.30 pm.

The Staff, Students and School Council of
APOLLO BAY P-12 COLLEGE

cordially invite you to celebrate the official opening of the new
Science Block and
Arts & Technology Block
Monday June 4, 2007 at 2.00 by Ms Gayle Tierney,
PRESCHOOL NEWS
A late thank-you to the volunteers who worked for the 'Kids Under Canvas' venue at the music Festival. And thank-you to the Festival! The preschool received $2000 for manning this event.
Apollo Bay Informal Fishing Group
The next meeting will be held on Thursday the
7th June, 2007 at 10.30 am at the Apollo Bay Shire
conference room, Nelson Street, Apollo Bay.
All welcome. Coordinator Andrew ORCHARD.

RED CROSS
The next meeting will be on Wednesday 6th June at 10 am at Betty Cockerell, Scott Place. Please note change of time and place.
SENIOR CITIZENS
Saturday 2nd June Carpet Bowls 2 pm
Monday 4th June Carpet Bowls 2 pm
Tuesday 5th June Carpet Bowls 2 pm
Friday 8th June Bingo 1.45 pm
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OTWAY HEALTH NEWS
Myth-busters
There are more than a few myths about exercise and physical activity so we thought that it was time we busted some of them.
No pain, no gain
False- Muscle soreness or pain is a sign that you may be over-doing it or working too hard for your current fitness level. Slow down and build up gradually.
Walking can be a great workout
True- Walking uses most of your body's muscles and joints so it's a great all-over body workout. It's also ideal for people who haven't been physically active for a while, those recovering from illness. Beginning with ten minutes a day and building up gradually, both in pace and duration of your walk, will be highly beneficial.
If you are ill it's better to postpone your activity routine
True- In fact it can be dangerous to do some physical activities if you are ill. Remember to check with your doctor first.
Warming up before vigorous activity makes a difference
True- It is always wise to do some warm-up exercises to prepare yourself before any vigorous activity. Warming up by jogging on the spot and doing some muscle stretches increases blood flow and flexibility which helps to prevent injury.
If you have an injury you may still be able to enjoy some physical activity
True but it's best to talk to your doctor or physiotherapist about what you can and can't do. There may be a low
weight-bearing activity like yoga or swimming that might be suitable.

 

Dear Editor, Masters of Spin
An interesting document has come my way. The lengthy title is: 'Apollo Bay Harbour Precinct Master Plan & Feasibility Study - Issues Paper Overview of Stakeholder Feedback.' (What they want to say is 'Community Feedback forms on the Harbour Development have been analysed'!!) The Shire received 555 submissions and approximately 500 feedback forms. The consultant then claims:
• Majority support for the Vision The truth, rather than the spin, is a little different and comes from a close examination of TABLE 1 Do you think the Vision is appropriate for the Harbour Precinct?
In total 24.3% said Yes and 33.1% said partly, while 42.5% said No. 'Never mind', says the Spin Master, 'Add 24.3 and 33.1 together to get 57.4%. now that's a majority support for the vision. What the figures are really saying is that 57.4% say the vision is either appropriate or partly appropriate, while 75.6% say it is either NOT appropriate or partly appropriate. On the matter of level of support for individual projects, 72% oppose the Hotel/visitor accommodation. So do you think they will take any notice of us? Not a chance! Under the heading which in part reads, 'the following is an outline of the changes proposed to the preliminary master plan,' is the dot point: 'Removal of shading around the three hotel building envelopes.' (Whatever that means!!!) It is clear to me that the Community of Apollo Bay is held in contempt by those responsible for this plan. John Spencer, Apollo Bay
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Letters to the Editor
Dear Editor
APOLLO BAY HARBOUR PLAN
We all did what we were told to do didn't we?
We filled out our feedback forms, we attended the
'consultation sessions'. The result? A five page 'frequently
asked questions' sheet in the mail.
It is obvious to me that this means a very large number of
people have very many objections - or as the Shire would
have us believe 'questions' - to many of the proposals in
what has been put to us as a DRAFT plan.
I fear that the Shire is absolutely committed to the plan in
it's current form. My experience at the 'consultation'
meeting in Melbourne and subsequent correspondence with
Joe Di Cecco and Tracey Slatter indicate that whatever the
ratepayers and residents object to - it will be 'explained'
away as if we are simply not entitled to question their better
judgement, let alone demand something different from any
redevelopment.
The recent adoption of the master plan for Apollo Bay - in
completely unchanged form from the draft we were
presented with for 'comment, consultation, and feedback'
should sound warning bells for all of us.
Jo Dunsmuir

66 Years Married
Vera and Eric Johnston are proud to announce their 66th Wedding Anniversary on the 22nd May 2007.
Vera and Eric came to Apollo Bay in 1962 from Beech Forest. They brought their 4 children, Gail, Robert, Ann and Julie, with them. And then Debbie came along the following year.
Eric worked for the Forest Commission and was the Overseer for the Otways. He was also heavily involved in the community by joining the Masonic Lodge, Golf Club, Bowling Club, RSL, Foreshore Committee and many other committees through out Apollo Bay. Vera also was also committed to the community in things such as the Bowling Club, Masonic Lodge and Information Centre, baking cakes for street stalls and where ever else she was needed.
Today they are nestled in a tidy home in Werribee where their family has now grown to include 10 grand children, plus spouses and 6 great grandchildren. All of who cherish their parents, grandparents and great grandparents immensely.
We wish them all best for the future and hope that each day will continue to bring them the happiness they have earned.
With all our love and best wishes we congratulate Mum and Dad on a terrific effort, from the Johnston Clan.

The Editor,
Apollo Bay Music Festival
With the imminent resignation of the current committee, it is time for the Apollo Bay community to come together to discuss the future of this community Music Festival. I have called a public meeting for Wednesday June 6 at 7.00pm in the Mechanics Hall.
I would like to invite all members of the community, including musicians, artists, sporting clubs, shop traders, Otway Health, Apollo Bay P12 College and sponsors to this important meeting. I hope to encourage public debate about the future direction of the festival and form a committee to act on this vision. Membership and committee nomination forms will be available on the night.
My vision for the future is essentially the same as the Colac Otway Shire funded ABMF Business Plan 2003. This is a community music/arts festival limited to 4000 tickets run by a volunteer committee overseeing three paid staff:
A Business Manager An Artistic Director A Professional Publicist These position will be open to all in the community. The volunteer committee will meet monthly to oversee these positions. All meetings will be open to the community. With this year's festival only breaking even (personal comment by Jenny Rippon), its time to rethink the budget, especially the wages bill of $90,000. The issue of over 100 proxy memberships from outside Colac Otway Shire also needs to be addressed. I look forward to seeing a broad cross section of the community to support in a positive way the ongoing success of our community Music Festival. Peter Fillmore, Apollo Bay


 

Dear Editor
Harbour Precinct Master Plan
I received the community newsletter (March 2007) and the master plan referred to above, with much disappointment. I have many concerns about the proposal. My greatest concern is the process by which this has been developed. It is easy to draw lines on a map and pretty plans for new developments, particularly at locations such as Apollo Bay, but it is no more than a drawing. It is not a feasibility study. A major redevelopment proposal such as this requires a comprehensive social, economic and environmental impact assessment and triple bottom line evaluation. Fundamental questions need to be asked such as
• What are the costs - short and long term in social economic and environmental terms?
• What are the benefits, when will they be realized and which parties will benefit?
• Who are the losers and how much will they lose?
• What are the risks?
• Where is the money coming from (for initial capital and future recurrent expenditure)?• To what extent will the cost (short and longer term) be carried by rate payers, and can they afford it?
• What is the life expectancy of the project?
• To what extent does this project meet community needs and how does this project rank with other projects in terms of returns on community investment for residents of Apollo Bay and nearby settlements?
• What are the flow on effects to the local community?
All of these must be addressed, and should be addressed at the preliminary concept stage before any money is spent on more detailed planning, and glossy publications like the one received in the mail. At the very least this information should be provided with the plan.
The master plan raises many issues some of which I have covered briefly below, but I am sure other Apollo Bay residents will have many others of their own. All need to be addressed before any commitments are made to progress the master plan.
The development is proposed in increasingly uncertain times - amidst concerns of global warming, climate change, declining bio diversity and resource depletion (oil, water and the natural systems that support us) and the need to reduce our environmental footprints. All of these have profound social and economic implications that will affect the entire economy. The net effects will be negative not positive and impose severe hardship on all communities. Tourism will be one of the first industries affected. Economic risks in such an environment are high. The most appropriate investment strategy under these conditions is one that favors relatively small low cost projects which provide high yields and quick payback - not monumental high cost projects with long lead times which provide benefits that are difficult to assess with any accuracy or a high deal of confidence - such as that proposed in the Apollo Bay Harbour redevelopment plan. If money was to be spent on Apollo Bay the starting point would be:
• Identify the challenges that will confront people in Apollo Bay over the next 10, 20 and perhaps 30 years and develop a strategy that addresses them
• Identify alternatives, evaluate (cost benefit appraisal and risk analysis) and rank them
• Review them and check (with the local community) whether they were really appropriate and affordable
• Develop short and longer term strategies for implementation.
This process should be standard procedure for all capital and development works.
In summary the proposal does not address the most pressing needs of the Apollo Bay community - that of a relatively poor but two tiered community in which the gap between rich and poor is widening, where development is pushing up property values and making it even more difficult for locals to live and work in their town. The type of commercial development proposed on the master plan will exacerbate this problem and divert precious funds away from areas of real community need, and at the same time degrade a community area which is already highly valued and replace it with ill designed and inappropriate access roads, car parking and new facilities of dubious value. These outcomes are bad enough but it is the process by which this master plan has been developed that most concerns me. Roger Taylor, Skenes Creek Dear Editor,
I write regarding the article about me on page 3 of the May 24 edition of the Apollo Bay News Sheet. This article is factually incorrect. I assure the community that I have all the appropriate permits required to move stock on this road. If Cr Higgins had approached me to check the facts, this reply wouldn't have been necessary. I am quite happy to discuss the issue with him at any time. Warren Riches
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